{"id":4139,"date":"2019-07-24T19:18:08","date_gmt":"2019-07-24T19:18:08","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/resistantbees.es\/?p=4139"},"modified":"2025-07-16T13:37:31","modified_gmt":"2025-07-16T13:37:31","slug":"wichtiges-zu-thelytoky","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/resistantbees.es\/?p=4139","title":{"rendered":"wichtiges zu Thelytoky"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Dee Lusby berichtigt einen Artikel, der im amerikanischen Imkerjournal ABJ \u00fcber das Thema <a href=\"\/?p=4141\">Thelytoky<\/a> geschrieben wurde.<br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/de.qwerty.wiki\/wiki\/Thelytoky\">Hier wird Thelytoky erkl\u00e4rt:<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><b>Thelytoky<\/b> (aus dem <a title=\"griechische Sprache\" href=\"https:\/\/de.qwe.wiki\/wiki\/Greek_language\">griechischen <\/a> <i>th\u0113lys<\/i> \u201eweiblich\u201c und <i>tokos<\/i> \u201eGeburt\u201c) ist eine Art von <a title=\"Parthenogenese\" href=\"https:\/\/de.qwe.wiki\/wiki\/Parthenogenesis\">Parthenogenese<\/a> , bei denen Weibchen aus unbefruchteten Eiern hergestellt werden.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Thelytoky ist bei den meisten verz\u00fcchteten Bienen verschwunden. Wenn man lange genug den Weg der Lusbys geht, dann kann das Thelytoky wieder auftreten.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><strong>Marshall schrieb:<\/strong><\/span><br \/>\n<em><strong>Interesting writeup in ABJ on Thelytoky<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>This is in today&#8217;s issue of the American Bee Journal, and is written by Jerry Hayes:<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>&#8222;Well, here we go into the possible real<\/em><br \/>\n<em>science of this that has possible answers.<\/em><br \/>\n<em>Try this on Harley. There is this thing<\/em><br \/>\n<em>called thelytoky. Basically, worker bees or<\/em><br \/>\n<em>virgin queens can lay eggs at times, but they<\/em><br \/>\n<em>all turn into drones because of no mating<\/em><br \/>\n<em>and sperm used etc. But, there is this thing<\/em><br \/>\n<em>called thelytoky where unfertilized eggs can<\/em><br \/>\n<em>genetically develop into females without<\/em><br \/>\n<em>being united with sperm.<\/em><br \/>\n<em>Read on&#8230;.<\/em><br \/>\n<em>May, 1991 \u2013 Bee Science<\/em><br \/>\n<em>by G. DeGrandi-Hoffman, E. H. Erickson<\/em><br \/>\n<em>Jr., D. Lusby, and E. Lusby<\/em><br \/>\n<em>Carl Hayden Bee Research and Biological<\/em><br \/>\n<em>Control Center \u2013 Tucson \u2013 Arizona \u2013 USA&#8220;<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>He goes on to quote a full page from that report talking about the Cape bees, and the LUS strain out of Arizona..<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Marshall<\/em><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><strong>Dee Lusby antwortete:<\/strong><\/span><br \/>\n<em>That is bulshit writing and just shows knows nothing about what talking<\/em><br \/>\n<em>about&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..for does not work that way!!! for the eggs are layed by<\/em><br \/>\n<em>workers and then fertilized also&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.so what a joke!!!!<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>and 1 worker bee in 20,000 workers in naturally sized hives can do this,<\/em><br \/>\n<em>and physically showed how to Tucson bee lab personnel when had contract with<\/em><br \/>\n<em>USDA for showing real beekeeping and how mites and other not a<\/em><br \/>\n<em>problem&#8230;.until stopped with socalled new peer review by the idiot butterfly<\/em><br \/>\n<em>researchers for writing and publishing&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.and I will NOT be edited, for I say<\/em><br \/>\n<em>what I say and mean what I mean the old way&#8230;&#8230;<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>But the workers laying are psuedo queens and<\/em><br \/>\n<em>mated!!!&#8230;.fwiw&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.though some just don&#8217;t get it&#8230;..so spread this BS all over the internet for<\/em><br \/>\n<em>rewriting and changing what originally done and shown&#8230;..and over on<\/em><br \/>\n<em>beesource.com and here in text files you can find published paper on the<\/em><br \/>\n<em>thelytoky doings I did for reading&#8230;..and evidently he just cannot<\/em><br \/>\n<em>understand\/read.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Dee A. Lusby<\/p>\n<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<a id=\"thel\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p>mehr zu Thelytoky von Dee Lusby geschrieben im amerikanischen Forum am 16.1.2016:<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\"><em>Actually, it&#8217;s young newly emerged honeybees still developing ovaries just <\/em><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\"><em> like yound girls growing up&#8230;and so every hive has about 1 in 20,000 <\/em><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\"><em> worker bees doing this laying, due to problems with cells brood larvae and pupae <\/em><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\"><em> contained in, with chilling, knockovers, and other and then having to <\/em><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\"><em> clean things up and then eating more royal jelly then normal&#8230;that then being <\/em><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\"><em> very young just emerged nurse bees coming on board they have more developed <\/em><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\"><em> ovaries and have been noted taking mating flights sorta and drones playing <\/em><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\"><em> with them, which I did in 8&#215;12 foot by about 8 foot hive screened in cages <\/em><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\"><em> with couple hives in to see what would happen, especially if I made sure <\/em><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\"><em> some brood got damaged and then had to be fixed&#8230;&#8230;.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\"><em>&#8230;&#8230;.and then with <\/em><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\"><em> Ed seeing me doing crazy things, got more into doing more in field, that <\/em><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\"><em> actually to show Tucson lab could split hives late here in Dec\/Jan and not <\/em><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\"><em> have problems with laying workers so to speak but good laying patterns with <\/em><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\"><em> great brood and new hives coming on&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;then bee lab wanted to see <\/em><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\"><em> more, and so did this and showed to them in large greenhouses by the Tucson <\/em><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\"><em> Lab&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..and once showing what they had never seen, the paper was <\/em><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\"><em> written&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;for we split all our yards late that fall and yet by Feb <\/em><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\"><em> all were doing fine and mated and nicely looking and yet it was <\/em><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\"><em> &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..how did you do that???&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;and yet went into the basics, but <\/em><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\"><em> udall and others like regean and nixon always said to hold back some, in <\/em><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\"><em> case push came to shove to see if they could do it for real&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<\/em><\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\"><em> But took videos of the drones flying in circles and workers coming out and <\/em><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\"><em> other, with then backup&#8217;s later&#8230;.sorta&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;prior to stopping and <\/em><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\"><em> getting back to real work in the field.<\/em><\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\"><em> But it was workers laying real brood, which queens do also, and is both <\/em><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\"><em> haploid and diploid depending upon what looked at and timing and how <\/em><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\"><em> overseen&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..and that is too finite to go into here, and just something Br <\/em><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\"><em> Adam and Dr Ruttner and DIetz and , Morse, Houck, etc talked to about from <\/em><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\"><em> time to time&#8230;&#8230;..and with real semen too&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<\/em><\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\"><em> Dee<\/em><\/span><\/div>\n<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<\/p>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>hier ist der Original Artikel in Bee Sience,1991 wovon Dee Lusby sagt da\u00df das bullshit ist was da geschrieben wird. Darunter ist ihr statement dazu:<\/strong><\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<p><em>Marshall fragt: I am not quite sure where you are coming from. The article he is quoting from was written by you. Why do you now think that is bullshit? <\/em><\/p>\n<p><em> Here is the article. What part is bullshit, and what has changed? <\/em><\/p>\n<p><em> May, 1991 \u2013 Bee Science <\/em><br \/>\n<em> by G. DeGrandi-Hoffman, E. H. Erickson <\/em><br \/>\n<em> Jr., D. Lusby, and E. Lusby <\/em><br \/>\n<em> Carl Hayden Bee Research and Biological <\/em><br \/>\n<em> Control Center \u2013 Tucson \u2013 Arizona \u2013 USA <\/em><br \/>\n<em> Introduction <\/em><br \/>\n<em> Thelytoky is a type of parthenogenetic <\/em><br \/>\n<em> reproduction where unfertilized eggs de- <\/em><br \/>\n<em> velop into females (Suomalainen 1950). <\/em><br \/>\n<em> Thelytoky is common in the Cape honey- <\/em><br \/>\n<em> bee ( <\/em><br \/>\n<em> Apis mellifera <\/em><br \/>\n<em> capensis Escholtz), but <\/em><br \/>\n<em> it occurs with considerably lower frequency <\/em><br \/>\n<em> in European honey bees ( <\/em><br \/>\n<em> Apis mellifera <\/em><br \/>\n<em> L.) <\/em><\/p>\n<p><em> (Onions 1912; Jack 1917; Anderson 1963; <\/em><br \/>\n<em> Ruttner 1976). In colonies with queens <\/em><br \/>\n<em> most worker ovaries are suppressed by the <\/em><br \/>\n<em> pheromone 9-oxo-decenoic acid and other <\/em><br \/>\n<em> substances produced by the queen (Butler <\/em><br \/>\n<em> and Fairey 1963), or by the presence of un- <\/em><br \/>\n<em> sealed brood (Kropacova and Haslbachova <\/em><br \/>\n<em> 1971). However, ovaries can develop and <\/em><br \/>\n<em> workers can lay eggs after the queen and <\/em><br \/>\n<em> brood are gone (Perepelova 1929; DeGroot <\/em><br \/>\n<em> and Voogd 1954; Butler 1957; Butler and <\/em><br \/>\n<em> Fairey 1963; Jay 1970; Kropacova and <\/em><br \/>\n<em> Hasibachova 1970, 1971). European work- <\/em><br \/>\n<em> ers generally lay unfertilized haploid eggs <\/em><br \/>\n<em> that develop into males (drones). In rare <\/em><br \/>\n<em> instances, virgin queens and laying work- <\/em><br \/>\n<em> ers produce diploid eggs that develop into <\/em><br \/>\n<em> females (Mackensen 1943). <\/em><br \/>\n<em> Given the high frequency of thelytoky in <\/em><br \/>\n<em> Cape bees, the relatively rare occurrence in <\/em><br \/>\n<em> domestic stocks of European bees is unex- <\/em><br \/>\n<em> pected, since populations capable of thely- <\/em><br \/>\n<em> toky have an advantage over those in which <\/em><br \/>\n<em> laying worker eggs develop exclusively <\/em><br \/>\n<em> into drones (Ruttner 1977). Without thely- <\/em><br \/>\n<em> toky, the survival of a colony rests com- <\/em><br \/>\n<em> pletely on the successful mating of a single <\/em><br \/>\n<em> queen which must leave the hive to mate. <\/em><br \/>\n<em> If this queen does not encounter drones <\/em><br \/>\n<em> or does not return to the hive, a replace- ment cannot be produced because female <\/em><br \/>\n<em> larvae of a suitable age for queen rearing <\/em><br \/>\n<em> QR\u0003ORQJHU\u0003H[LVW\u000f\u0003DQG\u0003EHFDXVH\u0003WKH\u0003\u00bfUVW\u0003TXHHQ\u0003 <\/em><br \/>\n<em> to emerge usually destroys the other queen <\/em><br \/>\n<em> cells in the colony. However, if brood from <\/em><br \/>\n<em> laying workers could be raised into queens, <\/em><br \/>\n<em> the colony would have a facultative sur- <\/em><br \/>\n<em> vival mechanism in case the virgin queen <\/em><br \/>\n<em> is lost. Thelytoky should occur with greater <\/em><br \/>\n<em> frequency in populations exposed to condi- <\/em><br \/>\n<em> tions that reduce the chances of a queen ei- <\/em><br \/>\n<em> WKHU\u0003WDNLQJ\u0003RU\u0003UHWXUQLQJ\u0003IURP\u0003D\u0003PDWLQJ\u0003\u00c0LJKW\u0003 <\/em><br \/>\n<em> (Moritz 1984). <\/em><br \/>\n<em> A strain of honey bees (hereafter referred <\/em><br \/>\n<em> to as LUS) has been established from a <\/em><br \/>\n<em> breeding program in which virgin queens <\/em><br \/>\n<em> were introduced into broodless colonies <\/em><br \/>\n<em> (i.e., eggs and larvae did not exist in the <\/em><br \/>\n<em> colony) from November to March in south- <\/em><br \/>\n<em> ern Arizona. The purpose of the breeding <\/em><br \/>\n<em> program was to select for bees that would <\/em><br \/>\n<em> rear queens and drones at that time of year. <\/em><br \/>\n<em> Inclement weather and limited numbers of <\/em><br \/>\n<em> drones can occur during Arizona winters <\/em><br \/>\n<em> and prevent queens from successfully mat- <\/em><br \/>\n<em> ing. Thus, introducing virgin queens at this <\/em><br \/>\n<em> time of year exerts pressure that could cause <\/em><br \/>\n<em> the frequency of thelytoky in the population <\/em><br \/>\n<em> to increase. <\/em><\/p>\n<p><em> Are you saying this is not quoted properly, or you no longer think this is valid? <\/em><\/p>\n<p><em> Marshall <\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Dee Lusby antwortet:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em> That is bulshit writing and just shows knows nothing about what talking <\/em><br \/>\n<em> about&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..for does not work that way!!! for the eggs are layed by <\/em><br \/>\n<em> workers and then fertilized also&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.so what a joke!!!! <\/em><\/p>\n<p><em> and 1 worker bee in 20,000 workers in naturally sized hives can do this, <\/em><br \/>\n<em> and physically showed how to Tucson bee lab personnel when had contract with <\/em><br \/>\n<em> USDA for showing real beekeeping and how mites and other not a <\/em><br \/>\n<em> problem&#8230;.until stopped with socalled new peer review by the idiot butterfly <\/em><br \/>\n<em> researchers for writing and publishing&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.and I will NOT be edited, for I say <\/em><br \/>\n<em> what I say and mean what I mean the old way&#8230;&#8230; <\/em><\/p>\n<p><em> But the workers laying are psuedo queens and <\/em><br \/>\n<em> mated!!!&#8230;.fwiw&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.though some just don&#8217;t get it&#8230;..so spread this BS all over the internet for <\/em><br \/>\n<em> rewriting and changing what originally done and shown&#8230;..and over on <\/em><br \/>\n<em> beesource.com and here in text files you can find published paper on the <\/em><br \/>\n<em> thelytoky doings I did for reading&#8230;..and evidently he just cannot <\/em><br \/>\n<em> understand\/read. <\/em><\/p>\n<p><em> Dee A. 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